such protest and be live at one such protest and brexit border chaos as this week's imposition of eu import border checks that brexiteers did not want to implement has sent heads spinning and we speak to the ceo of the fresh produce consortium , who believes that consortium, who believes that there was another way through this , all of that to come on the this, all of that to come on the program just after your news update with ray anderson . update with ray anderson. >> thanks, tom. good evening . >> thanks, tom. good evening. our top stories tonight. the 14 year old boy killed in a sword attack in north—east london yesterday has been named as daniel anderson. the met police says a 36 year old man remains in custody on suspicion of the teenager's murder. daniel was a pupil at bancroft's . that's the pupil at bancroft's. that's the same school in east london attended by grace o'malley kumar, who was murdered in a knife attack in nottingham last summer. four other people were

injured during that attack . injured during that attack. police believe a piece of glass may have been used as a weapon dunng may have been used as a weapon during an incident at a school in sheffield. a 17 year old boy has been arrested for attempted murder after three people were hurt at the birley academy this morning. police have praised the actions of school staff during the frightening ordeal . the frightening ordeal. scotland's snp government has survived a confidence vote at the scottish parliament. the leader of scottish labour, anas sarwar, tabled the motion after a power sharing deal between the snp and the greens collapsed . snp and the greens collapsed. the motion was defeated by 70 votes to 58. well. meanwhile, two msps thought to be considering running to replace scotland's first minister have held private talks. john swinney and kate forbes met at holyrood yesterday. both have received support from senior members of their party after humza yousaf announced that he was stepping down. the meeting has been described as informal, with both politicians still weighing up

whether or not they should run. the first migrants are set to be deported to rwanda, have been detained and they include both men and women. the home office says a series of operations took place across the country this week , with more due to be week, with more due to be carried out. officials won't confirm how many people have been detained or where they were taken into custody, but it comes ahead of the government's bid to get flights off the ground by july. after the safety of rwanda act became law last week. meanwhile more than 1700 small boat migrants have crossed the engush boat migrants have crossed the english channel in just over a week, gb news can reveal. after several more boats were intercepted in uk waters today , intercepted in uk waters today, a boatload of around 70 people was taken to dover harbour by lifeboat in the early hours of this morning. lifeboat in the early hours of this morning . so far today, this morning. so far today, though, around 400 people have been taken to the border force migrant processing centre. official figures for yesterday reveal that 268 migrants arrived

on five small boats, and finally vickers occupied the labour party headquarters earlier to protest against an oilfield licence. five members of the christian climate action group took over the lobby of the building in central london. they then held a church service to protest against labour's refusal to cancel the rosebank oilfield licence , and 20 others protested licence, and 20 others protested outside. police responded to the scene well for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news .com/ alerts. back now to . tom. >> good evening. welcome to farage. my name is tom harwood. now last night we learned of the first migrant removal to rwanda. all it took was a £3,000 bribe free room and board for five years. and a voluntary agreement from the migrant concerned.

well, that first removal may have been conducted softly, softly. but the less voluntary aspect of the rwanda partnership is now also underway in force, with the home office today releasing footage of some of the migrants earmarked for removal being bungled into immigration enforcement vans and detained well , might enforcement vans and detained well, might this be the rwandan scheme? finally getting off the ground, or is there still a long way to go? let's speak with nigel farage now. gb news presenter and honorary president of reform uk. live from the united states. nigel looks very sunny where you are. i'm deeply jealous, but clearly what the home office has been doing today is above everything else a communications operation showing that they're getting tough . that they're getting tough. >> well, all of it is, isn't it? i mean, the news that we got last night, the sun newspaper , last night, the sun newspaper, talking about this being an historic move with this migrant going to rwanda, just get a sense of perspective on this.

this is somebody who illegally came to britain, wasn't granted . came to britain, wasn't granted. asylum, which is unusual of itself. and then given £3,000 of taxpayers money to voluntarily board a plane to rwanda, where he'll be able to live for five years without rent . and in years without rent. and in a country where three grand goes a long way and it's ludicrous to link that to the rwanda plan that was set up by boris johnson two years ago . now, look, this two years ago. now, look, this government is in desperate trouble. dire trouble , you know, trouble. dire trouble, you know, predictions of perhaps this coming general election, the worst results ever in their nearly 200 years of existence. and sunak knows this issue of people illegally crossing our borders and being allowed to stay is driving voters, particularly in the red wall, mad. so the fact that today they've started rounding up a few people illegally and detaining them on the face of it, you have to give them credit for, i mean, several years too late. but on the face of it, let's give them credit. the

problem is, i suspect this is where the problems are just beginning. we will see all sorts of other people on that list simply disappear off into the community and be virtually impossible to find . and for impossible to find. and for those that we do have in detention and plan to take to rwanda, that is when the lawyers and the judges will kick in. we are still signatories to the european convention on human rights. we've incorporated it into british law via the human rights act and whatever , rights act and whatever, whatever the rwanda act says in terms of it taking supremacy over the human rights act, i would tell you that when this comes to court, british judges will rule in favour of an international agreement. so it's all it's all well and good sounding tough, but can you actually deliver? and tom, i still really , really doubt it. still really, really doubt it. >> nigel, what the government would say there is that the rwanda bill displays multiple sections of the human rights act

on the face of the bill, it says that they can't guarantee that this bill now, this act, i should say, meets echr obugafions should say, meets echr obligations and it demands that judges follow british law, which is under our system, generally regarded as supreme, over any international obligation . do you international obligation. do you not think that's worth the paper it's written on? >> no, i don't i mean , it may >> no, i don't i mean, it may well be. it may well be that disapplying those sections of the human rights act works in british law , but we are still british law, but we are still a signatory to an international treaty via that court in strasbourg. and i just don't see a . conservative prime minister a. conservative prime minister overruling a judgement of that court. do you know what? if he did, half of his own party would be in rebellion. many, many conservatives support us being part of that european convention. now, if he does it,

it will be very brave and bold. but i believe that an international treaty is what would take precedent. and i think our judges and ultimately think ourjudges and ultimately our supreme court would rule that way. look, i hope i'm wrong. i hope i'm wrong. i'm sick to death of thousands every month of these young men, undocumented young males of fighting age coming into our country about whom we know nothing of their backgrounds and their histories. i hope he can solve it. i just don't believe of all the while we're part of that treaty, that it actually can happen. and really, you know, brexit should have been about leaving this, this particular treaty as well. sadly, it wasn't this morning we learned of the tragic story behind the little girl who was trampled to death on one of those boats that was due to come across the channel. >> her father had applied for asylum in multiple countries for eu countries being turned down, time and time and time again before trying to come to the uk .

before trying to come to the uk. and i suppose many would argue that it's the most humanitarian thing to do, to say, to be clear, to stop the ambiguity vie to say that actually this is the way to stop, people coming across people who think that eu countries that say no to their asylum application, that the united kingdom would then say yes , surely that seems to be the yes, surely that seems to be the most perverse incentive in the world. it leads desperate people who have been refused by various eu countries to then try their luck in the uk. eu countries to then try their luck in the uk . tom, look, this luck in the uk. tom, look, this idea of desperate people, i don't doubt amongst some of those that are crossing the engush those that are crossing the english channel. there are some genuinely fleeing persecution , genuinely fleeing persecution, but the wholesale abuse of our generous city people pretending they're under 18 when they're in their 30s, people claiming to convert to christianity from islam, which of course, we know they're not actually doing

people claiming they're gay and therefore can't be sent back to therefore can't be sent back to the country that they claim to have originally come from. the whole thing is a complete and utter racket . and i'd remind utter racket. and i'd remind people since 2016, we have taken in half a million refugees. they've come from hong kong, they've come from afghanistan, they've come from afghanistan, they've come from ukraine and elsewhere. it's not as if we're not the most generous country out there, because we are what we cannot allow is for human traffickers to put people in dinghies to cross the english channel. 90% of them are male , channel. 90% of them are male, 80% of them are very young males. this has got to stop . and males. this has got to stop. and the only way we're going to stop it is by not being part of that european convention, and by saying that nobody that comes via this route will ever be allowed to stay . that is what allowed to stay. that is what tony abbott, the prime minister of australia, did back in 2013. and within two weeks the boats stopped coming. that is the only way we're ever going to solve

this, and i believe that right from the start there was a huge, huge degree of truth there that to some extent it's not whether or not 1 or 2 migrants go to rwanda , it's not the fact of one rwanda, it's not the fact of one plane leaving or two planes leaving. >> it's the scale and regularity vie and frankly, almost certainty that that those planes that that, deportation scheme will work for anyone who crosses irregularly and illegally nigel farage honorary president of reform uk and of course, gb news presenter. thank you very much for joining us live from florida. i'll let you get back to your holiday now . amazing. to your holiday now. amazing. well, let's get more on this now with omar hammoud. galloway gallego, the political science and public policy fellow at the lse, of course, a former, adviser to the united nations as well, let's get to the root of this, frankly, the united kingdom needs a way to need

somewhere to deport people to who come here illegally, because some people can't be returned . some people can't be returned. to their country of origin. this is where we get the safe. third, countries such as rwanda, coming into the whole scheme, stripped back to that very basic level, it's a scheme that makes sense. >> okay, let me make it clear. to start with the rwanda plan and the voluntary deportation scheme that's been on the news today are scams that the british taxpayer is paying for. it's a system that it's a it's a plan thatis system that it's a it's a plan that is inefficient because it will not work. it will not deter anyone. it will simply shift the mode of entry of many of these asylum seekers. it's extremely expensive because it will cost over a half £1 billion for only the first 300 people, and it's likely illegal, it goes against the geneva convention and, the european convention of human rights that was mentioned earlier. so none of this is going to work. what's a government that is serious about this? should do instead is get a deal with our european

neighbours. and this government is clearly not interested in doing this , a government that is doing this, a government that is serious will introduce resettlement routes , such as the resettlement routes, such as the ukrainian program that was introduced , when the war introduced, when the war started, such as the program for people from hong kong, and would also allow asylum seekers to work as soon as they come here. but this sort of idea that threatening people to send them to rwanda will change the, you know, will suddenly change their destination country is a bit far fetched, and what what has been happening now with ireland shows to you , how you know, this is to you, how you know, this is going to happen because instead of a few people, not many people, but instead of, just not coming to the uk, what they've doneis coming to the uk, what they've done is that they've come to the uk, they've gone to move to ireland, they can apply for asylum there and then they can spend the rest of their time in the uk because there's freedom of movement. >> well, of course the irish government is saying that the people are staying in ireland. the irish government is having a torrid time of it, expected four times higher per person.

migration into ireland than the united kingdom this year, according to the irish government . at least that's the government. at least that's the rwanda scheme working. no, no, no, absolutely . no, absolutely. >> it's the other way around. it's, the migrants haven't found a way . i'm it's, the migrants haven't found a way. i'm sorry, i should say asylum seekers haven't found a way around the rwanda scheme because instead of applying for asylum in the uk, you apply for asylum in the uk, you apply for asylum in. in ireland, you wait until you are recognised as refugee and then you can freely move within the uk. >> now a lot of people will be asking why on earth are people that are turned down time and time again in eu countries? they're then trying to get across to the uk. why is our system , so much more lax? on the system, so much more lax? on the face of it than many european countries? >> i would disagree with this. i don't think it's much more, easier to come here. and the rules are actually, much stricter . right? so, for stricter. right? so, for instance, just to give you an idea, i'll just give you the idea, i'll just give you the idea, the percentages are sometimes in the 90% range for sometimes in the 90% range for some europe . some europe. >> in european countries, they're often in the 20% range. >> depends for the countries we're discussing about. right.

but let me make it clear, for instance one one main difference if you apply for asylum in most european countries, you will be able to work , roughly 3 to able to work, roughly 3 to 6 months after you've, basically, made your application in the uk. you have to wait a whole year and still people decide to come here. why is it the case? it's because migration decisions are very much more based on social networks and language, rather than they really believe that the people currently coming to the people currently coming to the united kingdom waiting a yean the united kingdom waiting a year, two years, even for their assessment, do we really believe that they're not working ? that they're not working? >> are they not going into the grey economy, the black economy, an incredibly easy way? absolutely. to abscond into that sort of system? >> absolutely. this is why the system is totally flawed and why there is a big campaign. and i'm in favour of that campaign to allow asylum seekers to work, as soon as their application is deemed admissible, because otherwise what they're doing is that they're just working in the grey economy, may be falling into the hands of criminal groups. so the only people who

effectively, benefiting from this are the criminal groups that eventually employ people without contracts . without contracts. >> now, lots of people said that the government would never get a single plane off the ground to rwanda. are you one of those people? were you ever one of those people, or do you now see that there is a high degree of potential that within a matter of weeks, we will start to see what the prime minister described as a regular rhythm of those flights . those flights. >> i don't think there will be a regular rhythm of flights at any point in time. there might be one symbolic flight because the government seems very determined to do this, but over the long term, i think the courts will say this is a scheme that infringes upon the human rights of these individuals. and if, let's say leaving the european convention of human rights is a strategy to get around this, i think this is a terrible idea because the european convention of human rights says very little to do with migration per se. and is instead a convention that actually guarantees the human rights of every single british

citizen and resident. right. so something that those human rights, because we can point to examples of the echr doing what many people, many reasonable , many people, many reasonable, all centre ground people in the united kingdom would say is massive overreach. >> take the case in switzerland, just a few weeks ago, the swiss people voted in a referendum that they did not want to go further and faster on their net zero plans. absolutely. and then a group of elderly women take the government to the echr and claiming it breaches their women's rights because they get, over exposed to heat and suddenly you have a court , an suddenly you have a court, an international court saying the government cannot pursue the policy that the people have voted for and must instead pursue a policy that is decreed to be more in favour of women's human rights. absolutely. >> okay, let me make one thing clear, what the judgement about from about switzerland, what it was about. and what the echr decided was that effectively ,

decided was that effectively, the swiss government had to have a plan to deal with, climate change, but it doesn't say what it should do. right. so it's just about the rules. >> you can see how people think that this is. no, this is not what churchill envisaged when this was drawn up. this was about limiting state power, making sure that we did not have another fascist government in any european country. instead, it's doing the opposite . now it's doing the opposite. now it's doing the opposite. now it's projecting state power. instead of saying the state should do less. this is a court saying the state must do more . saying the state must do more. >> look, if you, if there are certain disagreements about decisions of the echr, we being part of it, we can reform it. and this has been done several times over the years, thanks to british input, swiss judgement. >> there was one dissenting judge. yes. and that was the british judge . every otherjudge british judge. every other judge from various european countries, all said that this, this madcap, climate policy must be given down from the courts to the

government. >> look, even if we disagree with a single judgement, that doesn't mean that the whole court should be thrown out of the way, right? >> doesn't it indicate the direction of a court? >> no, no, absolutely. because it's, there are specific decisions that it has taken that have upheld, human rights and have upheld, human rights and have made sure. for instance, let me give you an example. one of the main rights that the community of countries are fairly short document. right. and one of the main rights that it upholds and discusses is the right to a fair trial and to a life free of torture. right. so let's put the case, you know, let's put the case, you know, let's imagine hypothesise at some point in the future, a government could come to the uk that might decide that torture and not having a fair trial could be an option that they want to implement. then if the courts are stopped through legislation such as the safety of miranda bill, then the only court that would ensure that british citizens are free of torture, that , they can have a torture, that, they can have a free trial, even if a person like you or myself find us in a, in a situation where we are attacked by, let's say,

politicised courts, that court will defend our rights. and that's part of what being a democracy means, right? having independent, strong institutions, even unelected, i'm sure we could all point to certain rights that we thought were good and noble and true . were good and noble and true. >> but i think, i think everyone can point to rights that seem to have grown beyond their original intentions in that court. i'm afraid we've run to the end of the conversation, but omar hamid gallego, thank you so much for joining us and talking through those issues. now, next, we're going to be live back in the united states, different parts of the united states with our us correspondent , stephen correspondent, stephen edgington. he'll be at one of these, in encampments of students at a university in washington, dc. things are getting serious that after this

good evening. it's 7:24. you're watching farage with me. tom harwood now, from to sea shining sea of the united states of america. student protests have erupted this week, notably in ucla on the west coast. riot police were sent in whilst this morning in new york, mayor eric adams announced hundreds of arrests . and declared. outside arrests. and declared. outside agitators were radicalised. students at columbia university in manhattan . well, our very own in manhattan. well, our very own stephen edgington's gb news, us correspondent , stephen edgington's gb news, us correspondent, is at stephen edgington's gb news, us correspondent , is at george correspondent, is at george washington university in washington, dc , where there are washington, dc, where there are yet further protests. stephen, what's the scene on the ground ? what's the scene on the ground? >> well, i'm here, as you say, at george washington university, named after the great founder of the united states. and behind me there is a statue of george washington , which has been washington, which has been completely vandalised with the words was a warmonger and even has an arabic headdress on these protests have swept across the united states. we haven't seen

these kind of protests since 2020 with the blm riots , in new 2020 with the blm riots, in new york, as you mentioned, there have been over 300 arrests yesterday. last night there was violence on the other side of america in california , the america in california, the university of california. and i'm actually here, as you say , i'm actually here, as you say, at george washington university. and we tried to speak with some protesters . we wanted to speak protesters. we wanted to speak with some of the pro—palestine people. no one, unfortunately, wants to speak to us. we asked many, many people. however, we did find one person, alvin . he did find one person, alvin. he is a student at george washington university and i wanted to get your perspective. alvin. so what do you think about these protests? >> yeah, so i'm firmly opposed to these protests, as a matter of principle, i totally support free speech and protest. it is a bedrock of our democracy , our bedrock of our democracy, our republic, but it is not free speech. when you start , you speech. when you start, you know, blocking the streets, occupy university grounds when the school has been very cleared, that that this is a violation of campus policy, like, sure, you have the right to protest, but i also have the

right to attend classes freely without you obstructing me. and so these students have totally occupied university grounds. they've blocked the streets for as far as i can remember , this as far as i can remember, this is illegal, this is in violation of school policy . of school policy. >> is george washington a war m onger? monger? >> of course not. that's that's that's nonsense. it makes no sense whatsoever , but i think it sense whatsoever, but i think it speaks to a broader point about these protests, which is that, it seems more of like an intersectional exercise of, of ideology, many of these kids here, i don't think they're actually here because they care about palestine. i think they're here because they think they're they're they're doing something good, they're causing some positive change in the world, frankly. >> what do you think of that cause for revolution , yeah, it's cause for revolution, yeah, it's quite disturbing, frankly. it's like i'm all in support of free speech and free expression. but when you start chanting from the river to the sea, which is essentially calling for the state of israel to be wiped off the map, and when you start calling for intifada revolution, harkening back to the, you know, the movement in gaza in the late 19805, the movement in gaza in the late 1980s, you know, that is very

disturbing, some of these calls, i think, are calling for genocide , frankly, and, the fact genocide, frankly, and, the fact that the administration , you that the administration, you know, doesn't seem to be interested in condemning this stuff, i think shows complicity on their part , frankly. on their part, frankly. >> thank you so much, alvin. i really appreciate your time there. thank you . there. thank you. >> stephen, it seems that on on one level, this is something thatis one level, this is something that is spreading from university to university . in university to university. in your knowledge, is there is there a single university in the united states that currently doesn't have some form of occupation on? >> it seems to be a phenomenon that spreads , as you say, to that spreads, as you say, to universities across the country, not only in the west and east coast. you've also got the university of michigan and many, many institutions. i think wherever you have young left wing students who are looking to potentially virtue signal or incredibly angry about events in israel and palestine, you are going to see these protests

spread. and unfortunately, we saw violence last night in california . obviously, this california. obviously, this hasn't happened here yet in george washington university. but actually, interestingly enough, very soon there are going to be some congressional, some congress people coming to george washington from the republican party, actually, literally just down the road from where we're standing , literally just down the road from where we're standing, and they're going to be coming and talking to some of these protesters and it will be interesting to see the reaction from some of these people here today. >> it certainly will, because it does seem that there have been cases whereby, it's hard to explain, but it seems that some of these protesters are almost cosplaying, pretending to be the sort of radical protesters that you might have seen in paris in the 1960s. there are those that occupy buildings in new york and then demand that their various university officials bring them food or water, claiming that they're being that their human rights are being breached. forgetting that they're the ones that are occupying a university

building . it boggles the mind . building. it boggles the mind. >> it certainly is causing major disruption to students, many of whom have paid thousands, tens of thousands of dollars for their tuition, and they simply want to get into their universities and learn and complete their degrees. unfortunately some of their peers and colleagues believe it's more important to protest events thousands of miles away. a foreign war in the middle east has taken over american student domestic politics, and it's so interesting as well to see the kind of merging of both the left wing protesters and the young left wing people, but also the recent immigrants from the middle east, particularly from muslim countries, who have kind of united in their hatred of israel in their discussions around calling for a revolution . around calling for a revolution. there's some really extreme language that we've heard here today, actually , from some of today, actually, from some of the protesters. and i know that many americans will be concerned about what's going on going on across the country .

across the country. >> i certainly very, very true. steven edgington, thank you very much for bringing us the very latest there at george washington university in washington, dc. now, i have to say, as a brit, seeing so many american students correctly determined that george washington was indeed a warmonger, a traitor , a traitor warmonger, a traitor, a traitor to the crown. perhaps this is, after all, a protest calling for the united states or those states that became the united states to return properly to the british crown . perhaps that's british crown. perhaps that's just me being, optimistic there. i don't think that's necessarily what they were thinking. but, coming up next, we're going to be talking about brexit because border checks have been introduced this week for the first time on food imports to the united kingdom. why have we done this? the former business secretary decided to kick these checks into the long grass and was there a better way to go? well, we'll be discussing that

good evening. it's 734, and you're watching farage with me. tom harwood . now, after no less tom harwood. now, after no less than five consecutive delays . than five consecutive delays. brexit, border checks on eu fresh food imports were imposed this week as business secretary gb news very own jacob rees—mogg, former business secretary. i should say, as business secretary, he kept kicking the idea of checks into the long grass, arguing why rush to impose checks on imports from a more regulated economy ? well, a more regulated economy? well, with jacob gone, his successors have clearly relented . and but have clearly relented. and but whilst there another way through this , i'm delighted to be joined this, i'm delighted to be joined now by nigel jenney, the ceo of the fresh produce consortium. nigel a lot of people will be scratching their heads at this thinking that the united kingdom, is seeing itself perhaps as moving away from an eu regulatory model, an eu regulatory model that is much

tighter, much more regulated. why on earth are we rushing so quickly to impose checks on imports from the from the eu , imports from the from the eu, good evening tom, yes. your point is , is well made, i have point is, is well made, i have to say the uk government has procrastinated for years to decide what the correct border strategy is. it's single handedly implemented the new border strategy of the last few days without, frankly, my members support or my industry support. and we feel this was a, this is a highly complex, highly expensive and totally avoidable solution to a much more efficient and effective solutions that wouldn't have cost the industry, frankly, a small fortune. and ultimately uk consumers. and i think what we have to remember is this is the sole responsibility of the uk government. they have decided this process. they have, i hope, although i doubt perhaps understood , the huge costs and

understood, the huge costs and disruption it will have on industry . and ultimately we as industry. and ultimately we as all as uk consumers. >> the previous government, led by first boris johnson and then liz truss, seem to have a policy of sort of kicking the can down the road, saying that nothing will be implemented until all the tech is up and running until what they describe as something called the single trade window is fully implemented. this government, however, seems to have jumped ahead, stopped delaying things, and perhaps , delaying things, and perhaps, delaying things, and perhaps, delay actually wasn't so bad a word in the case of all of these things and has implemented these checks , pretty, pretty abruptly checks, pretty, pretty abruptly this week . what do you think this week. what do you think they should have done instead? >> well , i they should have done instead? >> well, i think the single trade window, as you mentioned, could be a very valuable tool, but it's years away , so they but it's years away, so they have implemented the decision, which i have to say they did announce some time ago. however, announce some time ago. however, a huge amount of the detail that the industry needs has only been announced in the last few weeks,

which has caused total chaos and the fees that they are , saying the fees that they are, saying they will apply to the industry are simply enormous. so from our point of view, we have for years offered alternative solutions. they frankly have been ignored . they frankly have been ignored. they frankly have been ignored. they could be put in place retrospectively , and i hope the retrospectively, and i hope the government seriously considers what we've previously proposed because as we speak, we're in a situation , as i understand it, situation, as i understand it, as i came to this, meeting a few minutes ago, the it system managing the border has just failed. i can't confirm that, but i understand that is the case. but i may be wrong there. >> but beyond that, nigel, i would be shocked. a government it system not working. colour me shocked . shocked. >> well, you know, none of us are surprised , let's put it that are surprised, let's put it that way. and at the same time, we're in a situation of look, we have proactively, as an industry offered alternatives. and let me

just put that in context . it offered alternatives. and let me just put that in context. it is that as an industry, we've accepted things are changing and we have proactively put facilities in place and our members facilities to allow government officials to conduct inspections as and when they see will see fit. that is by far the most efficient and least cost way of having a border at a level , let's put it that way. level, let's put it that way. >> so sort of random spot checks rather than sort of a process now where almost everything has to go through the same checking system. >> well, it goes through the same it system, but the physical checksis same it system, but the physical checks is where the issue is on the solution that we offered. there would be a cost to industry to have an efficient inspector, and the goods would need to be presented for inspection . inspection. >> but that was why do you think the government isn't listening to you , because i think i think to you, because i think i think they are fixated with their own model because they've invested huge amounts of time and frankly, taxpayers money. and if

i briefly explain the income that they will generate that from fees, some may say it's a thinly veiled tax, another thinly veiled tax, another thinly veiled tax on business and consumers. so my, our suggestion is use the alternative government facility, sorry , industry facilities. sorry, industry facilities. however, literally before this went live, we were told by officials that they wouldn't inspect consignments at these facilities beyond 7:00 in the evening. and my industry imports highly perishable goods. they'll arrive from europe through the evening and through the night. so that's not an option. so we want urgently those inspections to be put in place to minimise cost to industry and disruption to both consumers and cost to consumers. and if i put in context, the government, the government solution of using chevington , if i present chevington, if i present a consignment at one of my members facility is that will cost around £100. but the inspector

is are not being made available in the evening and through the night . if i present my night. if i present my consignment at chevington, the same equivalent cost at levels of inspection is almost £5,000. thatis of inspection is almost £5,000. that is the difference. >> i can easily see why you and your members are calling this a tax on on business. it seems like that is a remarkable mark up doing it yourselves. like that is a remarkable mark up doing it yourselves . £100 up doing it yourselves. £100 getting the government to do it. £5,000. what a remarkable situation , ian. it does seem situation, ian. it does seem that talking to people previously in government, that talking to people previously in government , the previously in government, the civil service have been pushing this option, whereas previous ministers tried to try to find other ways of doing it. nigel. jenny i'm afraid that's all we have time for. ceo of the fresh produce consortium. really appreciate your time, on this issue , an important issue, now, issue, an important issue, now, coming up , issue, an important issue, now, coming up, well, now even we're going to be talking about what the farage. because earlier today in the welsh parliament,

the senate, this took place . the senate, this took place. have a watch. >> we need to wait for the first minister to come, because obviously the debate is on the first minister. or is it another ministers responding to the debate? oh, right . oh, right. debate? oh, right. oh, right. thatis debate? oh, right. oh, right. that is disappointing. that is, okay. the first minister hasn't come to a debate about obviously the conduct related to the ministerial code, which on the state of on the state of ministerial responsibilities, he is responsible for the ministerial code. so i think that's disappointing to say the least, that he hasn't turned up to this afternoon's debate. >> what a remarkable turn of events, a debate in the welsh parliament, in the senate on the conduct of the welsh first minister. this, of course, relating to the two £100,000 donation that he received from a criminal during his leadership campaign, a campaign which ended with him becoming the first minister of wales. with him becoming the first minister of wales . while taking minister of wales. while taking this money from this convicted criminal and indeed in recent

days, as it's come to light, as we discussed on this programme yesterday evening, the £400,000 loan that the welsh government gave to that company, only a few years ago, you start to see how the questions become larger and larger, and then you add to this whole, cocktail of sludge that this very company that donated all of that money is seeking permissions from vaughan gething welsh government. see how it all looks like it begins to tie together a crucial question to debate . but today the first debate. but today the first minister of wales refused to show up in the welsh parliament for that debate . well, we on for that debate. well, we on this programme reached out to vaughan gething, the first minister of wales, or any representative for a comment on the extraordinary scenes that we saw this afternoon in the welsh parliament, but sadly they haven't got back to us. i wonder why? well, coming up, we're

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next? good evening. it's 7:47. and you're watching farage with me . you're watching farage with me. tom harwood now, the schoolboy killed in yesterday's london sword attack has been named as 14 year old daniel anjorin. he was struck by a sword as he walked to school by a remarkable and tragic coincidence. the very same school attended by grace o'malley kumar, who was killed, of course, in the vicious nottingham knife attacks last yeah nottingham knife attacks last year. two further stabbings have taken place at schools in the last fortnight, two in sheffield and in south—west wales. what on

earth is going on with the safety of not only everyone in the united kingdom, but particularly children and teenagers? well, i'm delighted to be joined now by alison cope, an anti—knife crime campaigner whose own teenage son was tragically killed in a knife attack . alison, it seems that attack. alison, it seems that this is an issue that is simply spiralling out of control . spiralling out of control. >> yeah. good evening. it's been spiralling out of control for quite a while now , and we have quite a while now, and we have the same conversations . we have the same conversations. we have these horrific headlines , and these horrific headlines, and yet we're still not getting a grip of it. and i don't know how many more young people have to be injured or killed in this country . vie which to become a country. vie which to become a priority. it just doesn't seem that children matter as much as other things do in this country. unfortunately >> i know that you go into schools, you talk to young offenders as well. what what do you tell those who are perhaps

most at risk in getting involved in this world? what do you tell them about your son, i just try and be as honest as i can, but a lot of my work at the moment is focused on the online issues that every young person in this country faces, which is why we're finding it so difficult to pinpoint a cause , really grab pinpoint a cause, really grab hold of it and resolve it, because we've got young people arranging fights outside schools , running towards fights, taking weapons out of fear. there are so many issues and all we're doing is having a brief conversation about it and then moving on to the next topic. and i wish, i wish government would take a step back and really invest their time and effort at having a look at how to redress the next few years to something that actually is successful. because it's getting absolutely ridiculous at this point . ridiculous at this point. >> what does that solution look like? because the government often talks about how it's

banning this kind of knife or that kind of knife, trying to make the availability of these weapons ever harder . make the availability of these weapons ever harder. but i suppose you can't ban your way out of a crisis like this. this is something has got to come through culture. >> yeah, absolutely. and i think mindset you can't ban mindset. you can certainly influence mindset though . and for example, mindset though. and for example, in the west midlands, the number one murder weapon is the kitchen knife. one murder weapon is the kitchen ane.so one murder weapon is the kitchen knife. so banning zombie knives banning swords is obviously very, very important, making them harder to, have access to is obviously important. but the mindset is absolutely destroyed in this country. so for me, the only real way we're going to start to get a grip of all the young people's mindsets is through compulsory education. we all bang about the importance of education. the government's had every bit of research, every bit of information they need to say this is where we need to really focus. and yet it hasn't been made compulsory. and education, we've got millions of young

people in this country who are being influenced by by what's on social media. and we've sold them a dream and unfortunately it is now backfiring . it is now backfiring. >> so what does that education look like? what should be being said in schools beyond just that, using knives are bad, carrying knives is bad. is there some is there some sort of magic formula here? >> there's not a magic formula, but i think we need to change the formula that that those in power seem to think is successful , which obviously successful, which obviously isn't for me. it's not about saying to a young person, don't do this, don't do that. where historically has that ever worked? it's about really showing a young person the implications of picking up that weapon that implicates of getting involved with drama, representing yourself negatively online, and where it can actually lead to and making young people realise that if there's 10 million views on videos saying it's okay, but then we're saying it's not, it's making sure that our message is

stronger than that, than the message that some young people are receiving at the moment. you know? and that's where the whole debate about youth centres, youth workers, support for schools comes in. but the government, for some reason, can't seem to prioritise the money for that because they're prioritising other things. >> it does seem that there is a particular problem in london more than any other part of the country. i know you have a specialism within the within the west midlands, but but in london we've seen an over 20% rise in knife attacks in the last year, compared to very little rise in other parts of the country. what do you think it is about london specifically, i mean, for me personally, i think the problem is everywhere, which is a shocking thing to say. we always focus on london and the issue i have with that is that there will be people in other parts of the country thinking , oh, well, the country thinking, oh, well, that's okay. i don't need to have the conversation with my child now, because london is the

only issue, when in fact we've got issues everywhere. you know , got issues everywhere. you know, every single city is seeing a number of stabbings per day. so i think, you know, if you have a look at certain areas, every area is different. london is absolutely overflowing with, you know, people. it's a very busy place. you know, very congested. so you're always going to get a higher percentage of crime, knife crime, whatever it is, because you've got a huge amount of people in one area. but we're seeing stabbings . there isn't a seeing stabbings. there isn't a single city that i deliver in, and i actually deliver across the uk now where i haven't been to a single school where they haven't had an incident, they haven't had an incident, they haven't had a weapon carried, they haven't had a pre—arranged fight that's led to an injury. not one school that i've been to has said everything's okay here. everybody is struggling and we really need to prioritise it now, not just when you speak incredibly powerfully there. >> and thank you for sharing

what you do and your story. alison cope there anti—knife crime campaigner whose son joshua was tragically killed in a knife attack. but coming up next here on the station is state of the nation with jacob rees mogg . jacob, what's coming 7 up. up? >> well, we're going to be talking about this extraordinary , nasty attack on kate forbes by columnist called kenny farquharson in the times. >> he basically wants to purge christians from public life and says because she's a christian, she shouldn't be the leader. it's a really vicious piece and it's extraordinary how hypocritical the left are. that they boast about not wanting hate speech and then they write these most hateful pieces. >> interesting how you often get these pieces about christians, but not about any other religion i >> -- >> well, m >> well, that's part of the point that he says how good humza yousaf was and how wonderful it was to have a muslim. but muslims believe very much the same thing as a lot of christians about some of the issues he raises. yet that's good. but if it's a christian, she should be rooted out of

pubuc she should be rooted out of public office. >> remarkable cognitive dissonance there. but that's all. coming up on jacob rees—mogg , state of the nation rees—mogg, state of the nation next. but first, though, it's the weather with aidan mcgivern . the weather with aidan mcgivern. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar, sponsors of weather on . solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hi there, welcome to the latest weather update from the met office for gb news. heavy rain overnight in the south. continuing into much of thursday. risk of thunderstorms in places but it will be much dner in places but it will be much drier further north. we've got an area of low pressure across the continent that's going to push some humid and warm air into much of the uk overnight, but on the boundary between that and the cooler air out in the atlantic, we've got this reactivation of a frontal zone bringing some heavy rain to northern ireland, wales and then increasingly southern england . increasingly southern england. the persistent wet weather will affect south wales and the southwest of england by dawn, but thundery showers will turn up across the midlands , southern

up across the midlands, southern england as well, and they'll tend to drift their way northwards and westwards into mid wales and continue for some time through the morning. eventually the rain does ease in many places. we keep the cloud cover in the south, but much dner cover in the south, but much drier and brighter weather is expected further north, i think for northern england, scotland and northern ireland. some decent sunny spells will turn up. however, on the north sea coast a lot of low cloud will be prevalent and that will limit temperatures 11 to 12 celsius whilst it goes up to 21 to 23 celsius in western scotland , celsius in western scotland, similar temperature contrast across northern scotland on friday, warm in the west, cool in the east, southern england some warm sunshine as well, but in between outbreaks of rain continuing even some thundery showers on saturday. the fine weather moves north, but there will be further rain coming up from the south. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation. tonight in 21st century britain. obsessed with diversity and wokery, which is seemingly allowable to promote the most bigoted and vile abuse about christians in not only a national newspaper, but the times, which has published a poisonous editorial vilify a prospective snp leader candidate kate forbes , for the terrible kate forbes, for the terrible crime of being a christian. the state of the nation has identified yet another job for bbc verify . the labour party has bbc verify. the labour party has published a campaign ad spreading misinformation about so—called partygate, falsely claiming that boris johnson was partying during the funeral of the late prince philip. as the king visits a cancer centre and the duchess of edinburgh visits ukraine, a certain pugnacious panellist has a thing or two to say about the sussexes upcoming visit to nigeria, plus the row

over whether britain made its wealth from slavery may have been decisively settled , as been decisively settled, as a new report claims. slavery may have even made britain poorer. state of the nation starts now. i'll also be joined by my most pugnacious panel this evening. former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie, and the historian and broadcaster tessa dunlop . as you broadcaster tessa dunlop. as you know, as always, i want to hear from you. it's a crucial part of the programme. email me mailmogg@gbnews.com. but now it's what you've all been waiting for. the news bulletin with ray addison. >> thanks, jacob. good evening. our top stories tonight. the government looks set to face more legal challenges over its rwanda plan. after detaining the first group of migrants to be deported, both men and women

have been taken into custody in a series of